An Interview On The Anti-Sec Movement


I decided that a lot of the mystery behind the Anti-sec movement should be dispelled by a follower of the Anti-sec movement and so HackTalk has the inside info on the Anti-sec movement straight from the horses mouth.

Before being able to post this interview I was told I had to abide by a certain ruleset or else the interview will be cancelled. Because of this, the interviewee shall not be disclosed.

HackTalk: So, what does the anti-sec movement mean to you?

Anonymous: A systematic questioning of the idea of Full disclosure and the legitimacy of ‘hacking’ for money Of course, Hacking extends to security research

HackTalk: Why do you feel that security research is included in the “hacking” category?

Anonymous: Well, Fundamentally, All security research stems from the ‘threat’ of hackers, virus writers, and other such related individuals. It came as a response to hackers, and a reasonable portion of the techniques developed have their roots in the original hacker scene (Not limited to ASLR, SEH table checking, Chroot locking, etc.)

HackTalk: Well you say that you are questioning these things that the InfoSec community and market is putting into the minds of the masses. Do you feel that this is an attempt at a “cyber gentrification” of the hacker scene?

Anonymous: Precisely, Though alot of argument goes on over the topic, I feel its fair to say that the hacker’s scene and ideology is fundamentally rooted in the idea of categorical rejection of the idea or authority or illegitimate profiteering, especially through knowledge. I suppose it wouldn’t be too out there to think that the struggle that the current hacker status quo is experiencing is somewhat analogous to the struggle in the late 90s of Bohem

HackTalk: The “Hackers Manifesto” speaks about how all hackers are hackers, no matter what, hackers exist without race, discrimination, etc. Do you feel that this is now played out and a new “Code of Hackers” should be written as it seems that the Security Industry is blatantly going against the manifesto by putting down the blackhats.

Anonymous: I feel the era of Mentor and ESR is long gone, The culture has gone from one in which innovation in the name of curiosity and creating things for the sake of creation to one obsessed with industry, padding one’s CV with bugtraq posts, and money. In short, I believe its accurate to say that a new manifesto should be written ala Crazy_Consuelo released by PHC back in the era of ~el8. Its depressing to think how much its changed from a relatively open culture where knowledge is shared without fear of reprisal or someone getting rich off an idea that was intended to stay private, Its now far more about Stock options than stack overflows.

HackTalk: What are the fundamental beliefs and practices of anti-sec?

Anonymous: Thats a difficult question to answer. Theres many people in Antisec who are just concerned with looking cool on paper and are fundamentally unconcerned with the social struggle aspect of Antisec. Likewise, The skill range goes all the way from neophytes to those who can legitimately be called great. I won’t name any names, but its apparent to most people which hacks are done just to look good and which ones legitimately further antisec. But if I could put a finger on the fundamental nature of antisec, First and foremost, Its the elimination of Full Disclosure, Secondary and tertiary goals include the eradication of the security industry as a whole and the elimination of script kiddies and the aforementioned (predominantly) Eastern European and Chinese criminals.

HackTalk: So antisec isn’t just about “i r l33t wif 0dayz. PH33R M3!!”

Anonymous: Alot of people make it out to be like that, and alot of people within Antisec practice that. Fundamentally its a chaotic system, Nobody has control over anybody else, Thus alot of things that many feel are detrimental to the cause happen. But I think the core message of Antisec is fundamentally antithetical to self-aggrandization at the expense of others.

HackTalk: So I think the question on everyone’s mind is “Why Imageshack?” Would you like to explain just why a non-InfoSec site was targeted?

Anonymous: Haha, I don’t ever think ‘Antisec’ will ever become a household term like hacker, but its definitely not unreasonable to think that more high profile attacks will occur and certainly some have occured and have yet to be revealed either holding out for a ‘zine release or for a notable event to pass (Blackhat/Defcon anyone?). Hacking sites like say SSANZ will forever be condemned to obscurity, I suspect more of Astalavista and Imageshack style hacks, perhaps of a significantly higher caliber against corporate security sites.

HackTalk: In this time when so many certificates exist for the InfoSec oriented, do you feel that it is either “do or die” for antisec and any other possible movements?

Anonymous: I don’t think the number of certificates in existence is contigency upon if now is the time for action. But I do think the current climate that surrounds infosec currently is leading to a showdown of two fundamentally opposing ideologies, if this particular incarnation of antisec burns out and doesn’t accomplish its goals then I have a feeling that spells the end of antisec for the future, But I’m not a prophet, It could be a long and proloed struggle.

HackTalk: So, if someone were to feel sympathetic to the cause, how could they help out?

Anonymousc: Read the old school guys, Understand the purpose of antisec. Form a group. Promote antisec publicly. Make operating as a security professional unprofitable

HackTalk: Thank you so much for your time. Any closing words?

Anonymous: The only thing I could think to say to those still reading is to question your ideas about the effectiveness and agenda of the current incarnation of Full Disclosure. The purpose of the security industry, and the fundamental nature of hacker culture. There is no longer any such thing as greyhat, You’re either on the side of Antisec or your with the security industry.

There you have it folks, “the inside scoop” as it were, on the Antisec movement. If you have any questions or comments please leave them here at the blog or contact me at hacktalkblog@gmail.com and I will try my best to answer them.

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  1. […] I decided that a lot of the mystery behind the Anti-sec movement should be dispelled by a follower of the Anti-sec movement and so HackTalk has the inside info on Anti-sec straight from the horses mouth. Before being able to post this interview I was told I had to abide by a certain ruleset or else the interview will be cancelled. Because of this, the interviewee shall not be disclosed The rest is here: An Interview On Anti-Sec […]

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